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From Corporate Success to Personal Significance: An Uncommon Leader's Journey - Traci Schubert Barrett
Hey Uncommon Leaders! Welcome Back!!
Ever wondered about the significance of your life beyond the success you've achieved? Tracy Schubert Barrett, founding member of the launch team for HGTV and author of What If There's More? Finding Significance Beyond Success, is here to help you answer that question. Tracy's incredible journey from starting a business at the tender age of 11 to becoming part of a billion-dollar enterprise is just the beginning of her story. The true essence lies in her quest to find real meaning in life, beyond her professional accomplishments.
Tracy's transformation is a testament to the power of purpose and personal change. Using her academic background in Psychology and her entrepreneurial spirit, she provides valuable insights into the concept of 'strategic life mapping'. This technique, which she uses with her clients, assists them in identifying self-limiting beliefs and embracing a new, purposeful future. This conversation is about more than just success - it's about the capacity we all have to transform our lives and redefine what success means to us.
Join us for a captivating interview session with Tracy. She shares her strategies for motivating herself and others, and how she assists individuals in making meaningful and lasting lifestyle changes. This episode is not only for entrepreneurs but for anyone seeking to find their purpose in life and effect a positive transformation. So, whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or someone wanting to redefine your life's purpose, this conversation with Tracy Schubert Barrett will surely inspire you to rethink your definition of success.
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Hey, uncommon Leaders, welcome back. This is the Uncommon Leader Podcast and I'm your host, john Gallagher. So what happens when you wake up and realize the good fortune, status and accolades for which you've worked so hard for have left you overburdened and burnt out? My guest today is Tracy Schubert Barrett. She experienced this overburdened firsthand and wrote about it in her new book what If there's More? Finding Significance Beyond Success. As a founding member of the launch team for HGTV, tracy enjoyed the exciting ride of taking a promising idea and turning it into a billion-dollar enterprise. But nearly two decades later, she wondered what if there's more? Today, tracy is the president and founder of the consulting firm Navigate the Journey. She's a sought-after speaker, coaching and leadership expert. You're going to love this episode and conversation. Let's get started, tracy Schubert Barrett. Welcome to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. It's an honor to have you on the show today. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:Great, great, happy to be here.
Speaker 1:Good Well, I'm looking forward to our conversation today and I'm going to jump right in, just like I do all the other first-time guests on the Uncommon Leader Podcast, with a question more, so they can learn about you and tell the listeners a story from your childhood that still impacts who you are today, as a person or as a leader.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the story that comes to mind is, you know, when I was in middle school I must have been about 11, maybe 12, and I really wanted to make some extra money, and obviously that's a too young of an age to go and get a real job and I was talking to my dad about it and I said, you know, I really just want to start a company. I just want to, you know, come up with an idea to make money. And he said, well, start a company, go for it, do it.
Speaker 2:And my neighbor and I we came up with a like a cleaning company. We made little business cards and we went to church the next Sunday and we handed out all the business cards and some lovely, you know, ladies hired us to come and, you know, clean their silver and sweep their back porch. And I just remember that moment so clearly. My father, who passed away way too young, was such a great influence on my life but he basically endorsed and almost ignited that entrepreneurial spark in me and that was the first company I started and I went on to help build other companies. But I really, you know, am drawn to that creative process of bringing a business to life and that was the first experience and he believed me, didn't even skip a beat or doubt or, you know, send me in another direction or encourage me to go off and play in the backyard. He said start the company.
Speaker 1:That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:I had an impact on my life, for sure 11 years old in first business.
Speaker 1:That's pretty awesome there. I can't go back in that story, but it absolutely makes sense. Then as we go and we start to dive into your journey in terms of what you've been through from a career standpoint, from a vocation standpoint and Trace, I appreciate you sharing our story. But I'm going to jump right in. I've got I've got a copy of your new book that came out. It's called what If there's More?
Speaker 1:Finding Significance Beyond Success, which chronicles your rise as a, as a founder of HGTV. Now we might talk about that on a site because HGTV I'm glad you found it, but it cost me a lot of money and DIY projects as I've gone throughout the years. So we can talk about that later on. But ultimately, for you as you walk through that as a founder, the big part about the book was your decision to walk away at the top of your game and really when you identified that there there had to be more, that there was something different than just success and the idea of significance was more important to you, look, go as far back as you want to with that journey, tell the listeners about your journey and what led you to that perspective of significance beyond success.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it was an amazing ride. I found out in college and kind of knew all along that I really wanted to go into television. I just really liked the medium. I just really wanted to be a part of something that just seemed so energetic and exciting. And early on in my career I was turned on by cable television. It was the new frontier and very much like if you're in a younger generation you would see it as how we view the internet today. That's how cable television was in the 90s. That was the place to be and that was where all the startups were and I wanted to be part of it and I moved from traditional television broadcast network to getting a job or looking for a job in cable television.
Speaker 2:And then one place where I was interviewing, just doing informational interview, and she just casually said we don't have any openings, but I know they're of somebody who's starting a network. I don't know what it's going to be called or anything. It's like home shows and building shows and long story short. I was contacted by them, connected to them and interviewed in somebody's kitchen and was hired basically to be part of this small startup team and I was the 25th hire. There was a small group of us, and we took an idea and said, ok, let's see if we can make this stick. Let's build a television network, and it was much like building any other company. It was the greatest entrepreneurial training ground I could have ever asked for, and it wasn't a sure thing just like any business. We launched with 25 other cable networks at the same time at the end of 1994. And only two of those networks survived. All the rest went under.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it was exciting and fun and a lot of hard work, because in the beginning nobody knew who we were. It was really hard to get on distribution across the United States and I loved it there though. I loved the people I worked with, I loved my bosses, I loved my staff. I was able to rise up to the ranks very quickly and be an executive and was there for almost 20 years. And what's interesting this is what I journey in our journal in my book is we had taken this to this billion-dollar media empire that we had built, and I was content to a certain extent, but restless as well, and just felt like there's got to be something more out there for me, and it was in my 40s, that typical midlife crossroads and where you start to wake up and wonder who am I, what do I really want?
Speaker 2:And I just wrestled with all those big questions and had a hard time coming up with the answers to them, but was also eager to figure out what is my identity outside my job, my job? It just kind of morphed who I was and who am I outside of HGTV, and what do I really want for my life? And so I started wrestling with those questions and that was the big crossroads that I write about in the book.
Speaker 1:So that's fascinating. And you again you touched on it as leading, leaving at the top. So there's something that's just burning inside of you. That's not quite right. You're successful. You talk about it in the book. The events that you get to go to the people, that you get to rub shoulders with the money, I'm sure was good, and you decide that there's just got to be something more. Now my assumption is you don't just kind of walk away, you've got to have conversations with individuals. I'm curious what was the toughest conversation you had to have in terms of saying, okay, I'm going to walk away from this. What was the toughest one?
Speaker 2:It was talking to my bosses, people that I'd worked with for years. My husband was very supportive. We were both scared because I was leaving a big job and a big income and a big identity and a staff that I loved. I had a lot of people that worked for me and I adored them. On the surface, it didn't make any sense. There were several people in my life who thought I was crazy. Making the biggest mistake weren't shy about telling me that when I finally went in, it was a two-year process of getting up the nerve. If I'm going to be honest, it wasn't like.
Speaker 2:I just, all of a sudden, was filled with all this bravery and jumped in. I had to go through all that process of working, through the fear. I went in and I remember calling the Chief Revenue Officer and having to tell him he was just a dear, amazing man who had taken me under his wing and was such a great mentor to me, to my career, and such an advocate for me. He was wildly disappointed. He thought I was just having a bad day. He said that's exactly what he said to me You're having a bad day, it's just stressful. You need to take a breather or vacation. He hung up. I remember going home to my husband and he was like how to go? I was like I don't think it really went. I'm not sure I quit. He told me I needed to sleep on it and call him back the next day. I called him back the next day and I told him yeah, I hadn't changed my mind.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a bad day that I'd been wrestling with it for a while. I just needed to take the sleep of faith and see what was going to happen on the other side. There were a lot of tears and it was a difficult decision to make. I could have stayed on autopilot and rode that out for another 10 years very easily. But life's short. I felt that with my father's early. He died of cancer at 58. It just woke me up to this. Life is short and I have one shot at this and I believe I'm uniquely designed and I have gifts and talents and I gave them with all my heart to HGTV. But what if there's something else out there, another path for me to discover and where I can be more in control and have more intention and focus on my life?
Speaker 1:Did you know that many of the things that I discuss on the Uncommon Leader podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations on? If you would be interested in having me discuss one-on-one or group coaching with you or know someone who is looking to move from underperforming to uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you. Click the link in the show notes to set up a free call to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team. Now back to the show.
Speaker 1:I love that last piece right at the end having more control and more intention when you get that entrepreneurial spirit. All the way back to when you're 11 years old, you've got mentors in your life who have been positive influences with you, with your father, with this chief revenue officer, I'm going to assume even with your husband walking through that journey with you as well, in terms of that very tough decision, having somebody there to walk through that with you and support you all the way through that can help. When there's the negative side of those conversations people saying you're crazy, and things like that Sure, you're always going to look back and see what's happening. Here we are 13 years later. You decide to write this book about significance and where you've been. Let's go from that day really to the decision to write the book. What's been going on for you the last 11 years and what have you found since you left?
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I left I just really needed to take a break. I took a breather. I had young kids at home, very excited to spend more time with them. I have been traveling so much for HGTV my feet were barely on the ground, you know, just going to all sorts of events and executive meetings in New York and back and forth, and back and forth. It was nice to just be in one place. I enjoyed that very much.
Speaker 2:People were reaching out to me. I have my masters in professional psychology. I feel that I'm good at coaching and leading people and leadership development. So people from the industry and from my job at Scripps Networks, people were reaching out and asking me can you help me through this situation? Can you coach me through this? Can you help me figure out my next steps? And it just kind of organically morphed into this side business of me doing some coaching. I was on Zoom before a lot of people knew Zoom existed with the pandemic and just started coaching people.
Speaker 2:And then my husband was doing strategic planning and we joined forces and created Navigate the Journey, which will be turning 10 next year, and it wasn't this planned out thing, it just happened organically. I started doing more public speaking and really, really enjoyed it and found that I could use my gifts and talents in a new way. And all along the way I kept saying to my husband I really want to write a book, I really wanted to write a book. I wanted to write a book before I even left HGTV. But I wanted to capture this feeling of what it's like to hit these crossroads and to wrestle with these big questions of why do I exist, who am I, what is my purpose, how do I live that out, how can I live an engaged life through who I am and how can I place my identity and who I am rather than in what I do? And I wanted to write the book I wish I had at HGTV.
Speaker 2:When I hit these crossroads and I couldn't figure it out and I felt like my only option was to just quit and go off and figure this out in my own wilderness. And I just felt really compelled and I started writing things down over a number of years and finally, when I crossed my 50th birthday, my husband was like please stop talking about the book. Can you please just write the book? You have file folders everywhere filled with research and writings. He said you need to put it all together, and I'm so glad he did, because I was very. You know, writing a book is a very vulnerable thing and I had to sit in a room for two years and basically piece it all together and I knew the books that I liked the most were the ones where people were real and they told their story, even the hard parts and the messy parts of it, and so I knew I was going to have to be vulnerable and tell those stories and admit you know my struggles in order for it to actually connect with somebody. So that's where we sit today.
Speaker 2:You know, I have a great company that I co-owned with my husband and you know we're business consultants and we come alongside entrepreneurial businesses and help them scale and be healthy, and I do that coming alongside leaders. The book also. It also outlines the process that I do with clients, called strategic life map, and it is a process that's much like strategic planning for a company, and I use these tools. You know some of them very common. You know out in the.
Speaker 2:You know like creating purpose statements or legacy statements, or you know core values and all of those things which we do with companies, but also other tools that we've uniquely designed to help people understand more deeply and more fully who they are today, which is so different than who they were when they were 21 or 22, right, and then also to help them reimagine their future. You know what's the next best thing for you, and sometimes that's just falling back in love with what you're doing, reigniting a flame that has been extinguished for some reason, and for many people it's letting go of the pressures of the past. You know those pressures that maybe were put on us as kids that we felt like we had to fulfill, and for other people in the big process I work with them on as redefining success for themselves, on their terms.
Speaker 1:So much there. Thank you, tracy. Now I'm going to put a pin in the strategic life map for a second. I'm going to come back to that because I want to ask you a little bit more about the book First of all there's something profound, you said. You said you wanted to write the book that I needed when.
Speaker 2:I was at.
Speaker 1:HGTV and all of that, and we have obviously the connection through a brand builders group and Rory Vaden once said and it's I got attributed to him whether it was his or not he said your most powerfully position to help the person that you used to be, and that's what I sense is in the book. And you mentioned being vulnerable, very important, absolutely no doubt about it. But you also have to like be able to share those experiences. That gives you credibility. It's like no, it's not just somebody who's writing this from a theoretical standpoint, who has a master's degree. You're writing this from somebody who's lived some of these challenges. So I wanted to touch on a couple of what I would call tweetable moments that I read even in the introduction of the book and kind of just get your perspective where your mind was. You said in the intro that HGTV may have been the pinnacle of my success, but it wasn't the pinnacle of my significance. What does what does that quote mean to you when you hear, since you wrote it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think for me, success was always positioned as the amount of wealth you could obtain or fame you could obtain, or title up the corporate ladder that you could obtain, and so I was always on that trajectory. And it's not that any of those things are bad. We all want to have money to survive and thrive. We all having a title and achieving something and being recognized for it is a good thing, Maybe even fame to a certain extent, or being known, is okay. But when it becomes a problem is when you're driven by it, when that is the thing you have to do or have to obtain or have to get to, and the problem with that is there's no end to it. There's always going to be somebody that has more money than you, there's always going to be somebody who has more likes or follows or has a bigger platform, or there's always going to be somebody who's above you on the corporate ladder. And so for me I realized, wow, this is kind of a winless game if you're driven by these things. And so, by society standards, what I had achieved through HGTV being at the top of the corporate ladder, having a big staff running offices, working for a very glamorous organization and being able to hang out with well-known people seemed like the pinnacle of success and everybody's eyes, and I do think it was in society's eyes, and I hadn't quite figured out that my definition of success needed to be based more on who I was and leaning into those things how I can positively impact somebody else's life, how, in small and big ways, I can affect the world around me.
Speaker 2:I know I was doing that at HGTV, but I didn't have that lens on fully. I feel like had I answered these big questions and gone through this process before I had left HGTV, I mean maybe I would have stayed because I would have had a different perspective, I would have understood my purpose more. But oftentimes and what I find with clients that I talk to, is we can sit in jobs and start to get very confused and think what is this all for? Like I don't.
Speaker 2:Is television really like the end all be? You know, is this a good thing I'm doing? And we start to compare ourselves to like a doctor who's saving lives, or a minister who's, you know, walking alongside people, you know in their lives, or you know all these, you know, nonprofit organizations. You know I started to get messed up in my head like I can't do good where I am or I can't live out who I am, and so that's what I mean by I hadn't quite figured out my pinnacle of significance. I didn't have the tools or the resources to really articulate. I had gotten lost in this corporate success jungle and I needed to get back in touch with that.
Speaker 1:Love that and again, I think it's something. I don't know if it's an age thing or not. As we get to a certain point in our lives, we start to think about that just a little bit more, as I am doing that a little bit more myself as well. So, thank you for sharing that, Because that's the vulnerability side of when.
Speaker 1:I wrote this quote down. Maybe I would have stayed Right if we would have had that level of understanding of what significance was in the position that we were in, and that we could live that out in. The role that we were in could have been different. So I appreciate and I thank you for writing this book, then, because you're going to touch people with it the other thing you said in the intro the biggest reward of a life of significance is becoming a better version of yourself, which in turn leads to experiencing better health, wealth and relationships. Tell me a little bit about what you've experienced, then, as you've moved towards significance.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I feel like one of the discoveries I made was that we kind of live in this age of everybody saying be your best self, be your best self. And that sounds great I mean, who doesn't want to be their best self? But it's a little ambiguous what is my best self? And so I think I wanted to do that homework of really being heightening my self-awareness.
Speaker 2:I think as humans we do have these basic needs that we're trying to fulfill and really once we get past sort of the food, the shelter, the relationships in our life, we are looking to self-actualize and self-discover. Hopefully, and I feel, like many of us in the hustle culture mentality, we've overfilled our plates, we have strain schedules where we can feel directionless or we're on autopilot in this endless kind of hustle of life, and so for me I really feel like the antidote is a mindset shift to kind of quiet that one drive for success and ignite another drive instead. And so for me that really getting in touch with my significant impact was embracing kind of pure ambitions that challenged me to turn my talent into purpose and turn my career, my career journey, more into a calling. And really when we do that homework, when we understand we're fully, how we are uniquely designed. All of a sudden, our mindset shifts and we wanna give back to others. So I'm not in the pursuit of helping people become more narcissistic or become more full of themselves. What I want them to do is and what I did for myself is just to understand more fully who I am, in a very holistic level, so that then I know how I can pour into other people's lives and how I can make my business a business that helps people and comes alongside them.
Speaker 2:And so that's what I mean about better health, better wealth, because when I care about who I am, I'm gonna take better care of myself.
Speaker 2:When I know that I can be a vehicle for positive impact, I'm going to make sure that I'm feeding into self care, but then I'm going to also take that energy I get from that self care and I'm going to have a positive impact through my business or through my friendships or through being a mother or through being a wife, and really have that positive impact, so that the wealth that I have is a different kind of wealth. So I feel like if you're in that sweet spot of really doing what you're passionate about and also what you're talented at. The wealth is just gonna come, the money will come, it will be there, but then you're gonna just have this broader wealth of deeper relationships and a more fulfilling career experience, which is gonna lead to better rest and better enjoyment. So it's like a domino effect, but you have to knock over that first domino, and what people underestimate is how incredibly hard it is to do that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:We get stuck.
Speaker 1:And to use that term stuck and you talked about many different things. You talked about fear, you talked about lack of self-awareness. I mean there's so many different things inside of that space. I'll take care of myself when I get through this phase of my career.
Speaker 1:I'll spend more time building relationships with others when I get through this part of business in my career. I will, in essence, spend more time with my family when I get through this phase of my career. But problem is that phase just goes on and on and on because of the fear of losing what we have from a security standpoint. And you touch on it Like those are that barrier. Knocking that first domino over is the hardest part. So how do you encourage someone to get started? I mean, they've come to you and said I got a problem, I need help. How do you get them started?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get them started by going through this process, you know, of strategic life map, of really kind of digging in, and there's a method to the madness and there's a process we go through and one of the most powerful parts of it is really unearthing those self-limiting beliefs, those patterns that we all no matter how great your childhood was or how not great your childhood was we all have these self-limiting beliefs and we all have these patterns or labels that have been placed on us or things that have been said to us, good and bad that affect how we make or don't make decisions. And you know we can be very scared to make change because of these fears that are tied to these patterns. And so, you know, one of the I would have never guessed that my masters in psychology would have led me to where I am today. I got it back pre-kids when I was promoted at HGTV to oversee a staff. We didn't really have an HR department or a development department where we were training up leaders, you know. And so I was like, geez, what am I going to do? I already have a business degree. I don't really want to get an MBA. So I went and got a master's in psychology to become a better leader and to be a better manager, and I'm so thankful I did. But what's so interesting in my journey is how I'm able to use it today, where I can be an executive coach who also has a who's basically a trained psychotherapist, and kind of merge those together so I can pull out of people things you know that are really tripping them up and the fears that are really holding them back.
Speaker 2:And many people name their fears incorrectly. You know they think they have, you know, a fear of, you know, making a change for X, y or you know Z reason, but they don't realize. Well, oh, that fear is rooted in, maybe a fear of failure or a fear of not having enough, or a fear you know, something that ties back. And so when we can unearth that, see it for what it is and develop you know tools to move through that, then we can really move into discovering what we should do next, and I think you have to. You have to do it in that order.
Speaker 1:We have to. You have to get that purpose up front right. That absolutely that problem. To find that problem on the front end before you try and fix it and realize you're in the wrong jungle. You're exactly right. I can't imagine. I think that'd be a fascinating process and I want we'll share with folks how they can learn more about the strategic life mapping process at the end and stay in touch with you. I'm curious do you have you know in your 10 years that you are coming up on 10 years with the company? Do you have a specific story that's really been something that you've been proud of and someone that you coach? Obviously, you don't have to share their names, but with a story that's been really powerful for you and validated what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like one of the reasons I get so excited about this and love doing it is because I get to see the transformation happening as they're going through this process. So I've had all sorts of leaders that have gone through this process. I've had business owners who sold their company for millions and millions of dollars and just don't know what to do next. It's fun to work with them to unearth how they can, instead of just hitting the golf course for the next five years how all of a sudden, you can see the light bulbs going off of this new venture that they can lean into and create something good. And I'm thinking of two owners and business owners in particular who both went through the process and have basically almost reinvented their next chapter. And it's been such a beautiful thing to see them really get back in touch with who they are and then reimagine this new future for themselves.
Speaker 2:Because I know it sounds so fabulous to sell your company and have the money, but it's also behind the scenes is very scary for people because they're losing a piece of themselves, they're walking away from something that they built and they don't know who they are outside of that.
Speaker 2:So when they can come to me and go through this process. It's so fun to see them let go of that fear and embrace something new. And I've had clients who have been leaders and companies who have gone through the process and they think that they've lost their mojo or they don't have anything left to give the company. And they go through the process and they're completely reignited and so eager to get back, so eager to get back to the job and lean in a new way. So I've seen both sides. I've seen completely different trajectories created and I've seen people fall back in love with who they are and the impact that they can have where they are. And I find that both equally as exciting, because I'm sending people back with just more confidence and clarity and a deeper calling when they walk away from it.
Speaker 1:Love that Uncommon impact A little bit different than finding the next show for HGTV, the next DIY show you have to put in place, but having a positive impact on somebody's life and again going back to one of the quotes you used in the start of your book is being extraordinarily significant in the most ordinary ways. You used that quote from the.
Speaker 1:Teresa, that really talked about it and it sounds like, Tracy, that's a lot of what you're doing. Tracy, I appreciate the time. I just have a couple more questions and we'll be going through them. I'm going to shift a little bit maybe away from the mapping, away from the consulting and a little bit more go back to you again. You mentioned, certainly, that books have had an influence on you. Is there a specific book that has had more influence on you that you have gone back to on a regular basis?
Speaker 2:I have so many I love reading. I love it. I will say one that I have read more than once in the last couple of years is Adam Grant's Think Again. I think that in the culture that we're in today and the division and everybody having more opinions than information, I think that book really helped me to learn how to engage with questions and to learn to.
Speaker 2:I have a saying I say in every single speech that I give, which is be more curious than certain. That has become very, very difficult for all of us to ask more questions than to give an opinion. That's one that has reminded me and I have the quote hanging in my office where I just want to be curious. Every day. I want to ask a question before I give an answer and really lean into life in that regard, knowing I don't know it all, I'll never know it all. I don't want to know it all, I want to die still learning. That's a book that really gives you great skills and trying to engage with people and have deeper, richer conversations that maybe don't lead to so much division.
Speaker 1:All right, you answered two questions and one because I think you also answered your billboard question for me, but here's what I think. I think your book what If there's More? Is going to have that impact on somebody as well, in terms of them reading it again and having it help. I think you've done a great job with it. I look forward to finishing it up and sharing it myself. Tracy, I do appreciate your time today investing with the listeners of the Uncommon Leader Podcast. How can people stay in touch with you? What's the best way to connect with you?
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. First of all, this has been such an honor and it's been so fun talking to you. Yeah, if anybody wants to find me, they can go to tracyshobertbarrettcom, and all the information is there. You can follow me on socials as well. Yeah, my book is everywhere. You can buy books and you can find out more information at my website as well.
Speaker 1:Great Tracy Schuber Barrett. Again, it's been a pleasure to have you on the Uncommon Leader Podcast. I wish you the best in the future.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much.
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